Neil Dudley: Okay, hey, I mean, we’re diving right in with Mr. Dennis Pridgen Get Lean Journey out there on the internet, interweb, or what do they call it, meta, I don’t know. But you got to go check him out there. This story is going to be really valuable. Matter of fact, I think it’s so cool we’re going to put it on Pederson’s and The Cowboy Perspective. So if you’re listening on either one of those shows, probably Pederson’s you’ll catch this part of the conversation early on because we’re going to start with food, health, and how Dennis thinks about that, why that’s important to him. Then, maybe after about 30 minutes of that conversation, I’m going to dive a little deeper with him into his life, how it has unfolded, and how it inspires him, and how it drives him forward to want to help others. So, Dennis, welcome to the show. Thank you so much, man. Hi, everybody out there on YouTube. We’re going to be putting this everywhere because I think the information is really good. So just start us off with, quickly, who you are, where you come from, and then let’s talk about health and food.

Dennis Pridgen: Sounds good. First of all, Neil, thank you so much for having me on. I appreciate it very much. I’ll just tell you a little bit about myself. I’m 47 years old. I was born and raised in eastern North Carolina. If anybody catches the accent, that’s the eastern North Carolina accent. Three years ago, me and my wife moved to Texas right outside of Dallas, and I can’t complain. We love it here. I’m just a North Carolina boy at heart living in Texas.

Neil Dudley: I love that accent. I mean, I’m sure there’s one for me people recognize. I kind of carry it around as a badge of difference. I like it. Somebody hears me talk. Now, it could be perceived as old back country hillbilly doesn’t know anything about what he’s talking about. Or old cowboy, all he knows is this or that. That’s okay. That’s kind of even fun to think about, okay, good, maybe this is a chance for me to flip that script in their mind. I think we’re all kind of working on that. That’s part of what this conversation is, telling where food comes from, give the listeners an opportunity to hear about it in a different way, maybe different than they’ve ever heard it before. And sometimes that might come from a cowboy accent, North Carolina accent, British accent, Australian accent, New Yorker accent. So, it’s fun. It’s actually really cool to me that we all have such different diverse places we come from.

Dennis Pridgen: Absolutely. I’ve had to flip the script on some people before when they heard my accent and they thought, oh well, he ain’t probably too bright. And then I get to talking about keto or whatever, and they’re like, okay, never mind.

Neil Dudley: Yeah. Now quickly for everybody, tell us a little, I guess what I want to ask, I don’t know if this is PC or whatever, but how much weight have you lost? Just maybe paint that picture for somebody that might be sitting there saying, man, I don’t know if I could do this, I don’t know if I should do this, am I worth it?

Dennis Pridgen: Yeah, well, first of all, my answer to that question is well, you’re absolutely worth it. Without a shadow of a doubt. And the most I’ve lost on my journey is 195 pounds. I got a 10 pound buffer there. I go back and forth. Right now, I’m about 190 pounds down I’ve lost over the last seven and a half years, roughly.

Neil Dudley: Man, I want everybody to hear that. How do we help people understand and stay consistent and execute over time? Because that’s what it takes. You can’t probably have this kind of success overnight. 

Dennis Pridgen: No. And that is the toughest thing I try to tell everybody. First of all, it’s a lifestyle change and a lifelong commitment in my eyes. The biggest thing is people are scared to take that first step. It is just like anything in life, it scares you. Anything that scares you, you are scared to do it, but if you take the chance, it’s well worth it. And that’s why I’ve been doing this for seven and a half years. It’s changed my life. And I’ve helped so many people change their lives. And I feel like through my journey, I’ve showed people it can be done, but it’s just this old boy from North Carolina that loves good old country cooking, but he learned how to rein it in and start eating correctly and it just changed my life. But it’s something, you got to believe in yourself and you got to flip the switch. And unfortunately, sometimes it takes certain events to push you there.

Neil Dudley: I just happen to know this. I mean, here’s maybe some more insight for everybody. Dennis and I don’t go way back. I mean, I really only met him a week or two ago, and I’ve been blessed by him that quickly, just meeting him, his willingness to share and openness about his story. All those things are really refreshing. And I’m hoping the listeners or watchers, wherever you might be hearing this, it just helps you. And I think that’s what Dennis wants too. What are the steps to being disciplined? Were you disciplined prior to that, prior to doing this? I got to guess you weren’t if you’re in kind of that bad of health.

Dennis Pridgen: Yeah, I was not disciplined at all. And it’s funny, I was talking about this yesterday to one of my best friends, how lazy I was and how I was not ritualistic at all. The key to it all for me is I look back at where I was at, and I try to tell everybody, the biggest mistake you can make is set a huge goal right at the start and basically set yourself up for failure. The key is setting little tiny goals that keep you motivated. Say you weigh 250 pounds, your first goal is to get into the 240s, then the 230s. And I make a game out of it. But you do have to have that mental- some people, it’s in everyone, but everyone doesn’t tap into that potential to flip that switch because everyone has it in them. They just have to find their want to go do it. 

Neil Dudley: So, give us an example of how you do that game. Okay, so maybe the example, keep that one in mind, but actually I kind of am more interested in what do you think was more important to your success, food or action? Or is it inseparable, the two things have to be together?

Dennis Pridgen: Well, the bottom line is food is the key to my results. Because without that food, I would not have gotten my results. I could have went to the gym and worked hours on end and I would have not got my results because nutrition is the key. But also, on the other hand, I try to lead by example to show people how to do it and everything. So, it kind of goes hand in hand. But I just like to tell people all the time that you got to believe in yourself first. Because it makes no difference if I believe in you or your wife, your spouse, or your significant other believe in you. Until you look yourself in the mirror and you believe in yourself, it is not going to happen. So, the biggest thing is to get some confidence in yourself and get motivated to be a better version of you.

Neil Dudley: How do we help them do that? Let’s say they’re battling that. I mean, I think you battled depression. You know a little bit about what that feels like and how it can really just consume you, stifle you. So, what are some steps somebody can do to get out of that funk?

Dennis Pridgen: Well, first of all, I got a thing I do, and people probably are going to look at me like I’m crazy, but every morning when I get up in the mirror and brush my teeth, I hope everyone brushes their teeth at home, I look in the mirror, and I may not say it out loud, I look at myself and I say, it’s me against you, and I’m going to make sure the right version wins. Another thing I’d like to throw in here, and this is my personal belief, I don’t push it on others, you got to have the good Lord in you, in your house, in your body. So, I lean on God a lot. He’s been the biggest key to this whole thing. He’s taken me through some valleys and to the peaks and through the valleys. But it’s just you got to have a want. But my story is a little different. And I don’t want to go into too much great detail. But I was kind of pushed one way or the other. Because technically, I’m not supposed to be here right now because I was just pushed to the brink. It just took a super tragedy to push me where I went. But it just boils down to you got to have a want. You got to want it. You got to think about, I tell all my clients and people I help, you’re no good to no one unless you’re the best version of you. So you got to take care of yourself. You should be your top priority. Because if you’re no good, nobody around you is any good. 

Neil Dudley: And that sounds easy. That’s actually very easy to say; it’s really hard to make happen. I mean, it just is. Because you might have to get rid of people in your life who just will not support you because they’re sad. They’re not happy with who they are. So they can’t find a way to be a good value for you. I mean, and that’s tough.

Dennis Pridgen: It definitely is. I’ll tell you, I’ve been hated on so much by really close people in my life. At the beginning of my journey, they were running behind me saying you’ll never lose that weight or keto is unhealthy, it’s not sustainable, all that stuff I heard over and over. And I took that. That’s one thing, if you start a journey, you’re going to get critiqued, and people are going to tell you you’re doing it wrong. But you can’t listen to all the outside noise. I take that noise, and I bottle it up, and I use it as fuel to drive me to show these people that, look, I know what I’m doing, I got this. And sometimes even the people that were doubting me, I end up inspiring them, because I’ve had people that doubted me from the beginning lose tremendous amounts of weight. 

Neil Dudley: Is losing weight really the thing?

Dennis Pridgen: No, absolutely not. It’s not about losing weight. The first health marker I look at when I’m talking with people is how do you feel? Do you feel good? Because I’ll be honest, I’ve been as low as 6% body fat; I felt like complete crap. That’s just because I got so lean. So, I looked really good, but I felt like crap. You got to find your happy spot. But if you don’t feel good in general, it doesn’t make a difference what you look like. So that’s what I tell my clients – you heal from the inside out, and you got to heal your body.

Neil Dudley: You can’t look good enough to unravel all the things that make you feel bad. I mean, it’s just true. Like you might think you can, and the world tries to put it out there like you can, but it’s false. And even if you are tricking yourself real good, and you think you feel good, and you’ve tricked yourself that way, it is still not genuine, and it’ll eventually- it’s just kind of like any thorn or something. It’s going to eventually be a problem.

Dennis Pridgen: Yes, sir. You nailed it. You completely nailed it.

Neil Dudley: Well, I’m no perfect expert. I think, though, I just want people to think about it. And I have experience, not really personally, I’ve never been super overweight, but I don’t have a great diet. I mean, I do battle that. If you look over my shoulder, there’s candy right there. And I kind of keep it there just so I can- it makes me have to say no. I have to make that conscious, real choice. No. Now, am I really good at that? No. I mean, I got work to do. That’s the other kind of truth. I don’t think Dennis is at the end of his journey. He’s probably not even looking for the end. It just happens one day when we die. Other than that, it is the journey, man. There is no finish line.

Dennis Pridgen: I’ll tell you one more key point for your success. I’ve got to give my wife a shout out. If you don’t have a great support system around you, it’s going to be really, really hard. See, me and my wife do this together. We’ve lost 275 pounds combined. And we do this together. It’s like anything in life, surround yourself with the right people, and it will take you to your goal. If you surround yourself with the wrong people, you’re not going to get there. So having a great support system, my fitness page Get Lean Journey has been a huge support system for me because I know that I’m being watched over there. So, if you’re starting your journey, I recommend, even if it’s embarrassing, and you don’t want to do it, because I was embarrassed to begin with, start you a page or stop blogging or doing something and sharing your stuff with people. Trust me, it will inspire you so much, the feedback you get, it just inspires me so much to keep going.

Neil Dudley: And I think it’s the accountability too. It’s kind of like being the trainer. Like if you’re the trainer, you can’t skip because everybody’s showing up, waiting on you to write what we’re doing today on the board. I got a buddy I work out with a lot, that’s one reason he wants to do it because he knows that helps him. That holds him accountable to crawling out of the bed those days he doesn’t want to and getting up there. All right, so I want to tap into your keto expertise. We can talk a little carnivore too. I think our listeners, our audience is likely thinking about doing those things, already doing them, really just interested in food and where it comes from and how- So tell us a little bit about keto. Here’s one thing, I noticed you drink Coca Cola, and I was watching some of your content. And that’s counterintuitive to me. That’s kind of like, okay, so let’s unravel that. I want to know how that fits into keto.

Dennis Pridgen: All right, well, I drink Coke Zero, zero sugar, which there’s a lot of stuff out there that says zero sugar that will mess you up. Well, I have a blood meter reader where I check my blood glucose levels. Some people cannot do that. When I first started my journey, I was so insulin sensitive, all over the place, there is no way I could have gotten away with it. But now it does not spike my insulin whatsoever. So, I drink one a day. Usually, I sip on it throughout the day and finish it with my last meal or whatever I’m having. So it’s like my little treat throughout the day. I’m not drinking a six pack a day. I’m drinking one. Usually it’s a little short one, usually.

Neil Dudley: Oh, yeah, that’s what I saw. I mean, I saw you drink a little short one. I thought that was going to be a fun piece of the conversation because somebody might see that and be like, ah, I mean, is this all real? 

Dennis Pridgen: I get called out for Coke Zero all the time. That is my one crutch. I told her, I said, I gave up so many things, and I try to keep it real. I keep it as real as possible on my page, or I just keep it real. I’m not going to take everything away from me. Like, that’s my one little treat that I have each day that I look forward to. And as long as it’s not affecting my insulin levels and keeping me up and knocking me out of ketosis, I’m going to keep moving on. And I check it periodically. And every time I check it, I’m good. So, if you don’t have a blood meter reader or glucose meter, they are very, very handy tricks.

Neil Dudley: Have you ever done a CGM, like a continuous one?

Dennis Pridgen: No, I have not. I’m very intrigued by them. Yeah, I’ve seen people with the little ports and stuff doing that.

Neil Dudley: There are several companies out there, you can check out Bio Coach, NutriSense they’re total quality. And I mean, the truth is, it’s information, its data, its education about your body. And that metabolic health is so big, so important, insulin sensitivity, those things, and you can’t really know where you land on that scale if you’re not kind of testing that blood.

Dennis Pridgen: When you’re starting this game, you need to be very precise in learning because I started off and did it every way wrong you could think of. I was the most dirty keto guy you have ever seen in your life. But it was working. But I wasn’t healing correctly. So, I had to switch it up.

Neil Dudley: Yeah, I mean, I think that’s good insight right there. Dirty keto, for somebody that likes cheese and meat, butter, those kinds of things. You can eat pretty much junk and still technically be kind of following a keto regimen.

Dennis Pridgen: Pork rinds and just all kinds of stuff I was eating. I was losing weight. But the key was I wasn’t feeling any better. But I was losing weight. But I had to stop that. Eventually, it stopped working anyway, so I had to start counting my macros, and I eat a very clean type of keto. 

Neil Dudley: All right, let’s talk about carnivore because you told me right before we started recording, you’re like 60 hours into a fast and you told yourself, I’m just going to eat when I get hungry. So you haven’t been hungry for 60 hours?

Dennis Pridgen: 60 hours and I’m not hungry. I will admit, last night when I was about to go to bed, I felt a little gnaw in my stomach. And I said, am I hungry? Let me drink a bottle of water. That’s another hack for y’all out there. If you think you’re hungry, drink a bottle of water and wait 10, 15 minutes. If your hunger goes away, you were thirsty. You were not hungry. So, I drank some water, and sure enough, I was like, all right, I’m not hungry. So I was just thirsty. But I’m not going to lie, right now, I can tell my body’s starting to tell me, hey, we got a couple of hours left and we’re going to be eating something. I’m going to let primal instincts kick in. I’m going to eat some bacon or some steak or something here shortly. 

Neil Dudley: Now, as the episodes roll out to the podcast, everybody, you’re probably going to- there will be an episode we publish in the sequence prior to this where I talk to a lady named Dr. Mindy Pels. We talk a lot about intermittent fasting, how that is so valuable. It’s how our bodies are made. This fasting kicks in, like you’re almost to 72 hours, and what she told me- I think I’ve done a 72 hour fast a few years ago without- I just had got into ketosis, and I just wasn’t hungry, so I wasn’t eating. And then plus I maybe had two or three really busy days where the idea of eating never really occurred to me because I was just busy. And man, I got home, I was tired, just went to bed, and I looked up and am like wow. And then my family is kind of like well, this is weird, Dad, why don’t you go ahead and eat. I mean, this is kind of weirding us out. But I wasn’t hungry. 72 hours pretty much renews your whole system. I can’t come up with the word, but immune system.

Dennis Pridgen: Immune system, it resets your digestive tract. Most people don’t realize your digestive tract needs a break every once in a while to clean out everything and recode it. If you don’t give it time to clean because you’re constantly snacking every three or four hours, it never has time to take a vacation and get its self back together. And once you give it time to do that, it absorbs the nutrients in your body so much better. And things taste so much different. After this fast, anything slightly, like some stevia would seem like pure cane sugar because your taste buds just change. It’s crazy what a fast will do.  

Neil Dudley: Well, you can see right there that Whole30 book. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with Whole30. But anybody listening, if you haven’t heard of Whole30, check that out because I’ve done probably five of those in my life. And it’s crazy, I don’t know why I ever changed back. I feel so good. It’s kind of like you said the other day, man, in one of your Instagram lives I was just kind of watching, maybe I was watching the replay, you’re like, man, it just feels like I’m running on really clean, pure fuel. It just feels like man, I’m at my fighting weight. That’s what Whole30 did for me. I’m doing carnivore now, about five days in or something. I’m already feeling like that- I just feel pretty good. I’m not very hungry. I work out no problem with that. Now the truth is, I’m not trying to go enter a bodybuilding contest. I want to sweat. I want to feel good. I want my heart, blood, lungs, all that stuff pumping. But to that stevia, like strawberries all of a sudden taste super sweet, almonds taste sweet. You get off of the sugar, get that stuff out of your life. I’m begging you. For 15 days, like somehow make that commitment. And you got to work at it because sugar is in everything. You’re going to have to pay a lot of attention.

Dennis Pridgen: That’s why I love your meats and stuff. It’s just pure organic, good meat. And that’s hard to find these days. That’s really hard to find.

Neil Dudley: Okay, good. I’m glad you brought that up. We’ve sent you some meat. You’ve been trying it. You said you and your wife fell in love with it. I believe you.

Dennis Pridgen: My wife, I wish I’d have been video recording her. She cooked the first batch of bacon in the oven. And I’m sitting on other side of the bar top. She cracks the oven open just to look in to see how it is going, and the smell hit her. And she goes, “You got to come here.” And I walked over and was like, “Is it ready yet?” And we ate the whole pack. We just gorged out. I was like, oh my god, that is the cleanest, just best tasting bacon I’ve ever tasted, I swear. It’s unreal how good it tastes.

Neil Dudley: I mean, thank you for that. I think we work really hard to put out a good, clean, totally quality product. The other fact is we charge. I mean, what we put out isn’t cheap. I mean, that’s just true. It won’t be the most affordable option wherever you go and shop. Whether you’re buying it, at a grocery store, online, however you get it, you’re going to have to invest more money to eat Pederson’s. So what do you think about that?

Dennis Pridgen: Well, I’m going to say there’s no bigger investment than yourself and your body. You only get one of these vessels. When it’s gone, and you’re done, that’s it. You don’t get another one. So if you don’t put clean good sources of food in here, you’re not going to make it to the end of where you could have made it. You are just going to take years off your life.

Neil Dudley: I mean, I like to think about you’re not going to get as much meat off the bone while you’re here. Like nobody really knows when the end day is for our life. It could be I stroke out and just bam right here in the middle of this. You just don’t know. And it took me a long time to get here. Like I’m not saying I’ve known this my whole life. I’m 44 and I’m only starting to figure things out. But I do think-

Dennis Pridgen: I’m right there with you. 

Neil Dudley: I want to have that. I just want to feel as good as I can while I’m here. Because there’s no way that doesn’t then spill over into the other people in my life, into my business, into my family, into my faith. Like if I feel good, then it just spills over.

Dennis Pridgen: Yeah, exactly. You nailed it, for real. 

Neil Dudley: The place I notice quality in meat and food really blatantly- I think bacon could be argued it’s always good. I mean, it’s hard to make bad bacon. You can taste some difference. Also, I don’t have the greatest palate. But sausage, smoked sausage, any kind of sausage, when its got all the junk in it, you can tell it. I’m just telling you, if you get a chance, go buy a pack of the Hillshire Farms rope sausage, at some grocery store you can find it, get a pack of Pederson’s, and eat those next to each other. 

Dennis Pridgen: Yeah, I know all about it. There’s definitely- I was talking to my wife last night, I’m ready to try the precooked sausage. We haven’t tried that one yet. I’m looking forward to that treat, for sure. I had something I wanted to ask – I got my before and after picture here, and I was going to share it if somebody wanted to see it, if that was okay. Yeah, that’s me. I was not quite my heaviest in that picture. I was a little heavier than that before, but I lost a little weight in that picture. But I don’t have a picture of me at my true biggest. I wish I did, but I don’t. I was scared of the camera. Don’t take no pictures of me. I hated the camera.

Neil Dudley: I mean, it’s just awesome. I’m so proud of you for sharing it. There’s a lot of work in there. I mean, almost wish there was some way to graph or paint your mental wellness, your mental health through that too. And look, you can find that picture on Dennis’s social, he’s got that, you go peruse his social, you’ll be able to find that picture and see it a little clearer, a little better. Well, that’s another thing I think is fair to ask. In you’re super muscled up, lean self, thanks to your weight previously, you got skin. What do you think about that? 

Dennis Pridgen: That’s a double-edged sword, brother, I’m going to tell you. There are times I look in the mirror, because I’m completely honest, I have loose skin on my lower belly because I mean, I was a 52 inch. I wore a 52 inch pair of jeans at my heaviest. And now I can fit into a 30. It’s a little tight, but a 30. 32 is what I wear, but I can get into a 30. And I’m 6’1” for the record. So I don’t even know how it is.

Neil Dudley: Well, I partially want to ask it because I think it’s one of the reasons you got to really get right mentally. Because you do all that work and you lose the weight, and then, you still don’t feel pretty in the swimsuit or those things. Have you experienced that?

Dennis Pridgen: Yes, sir. Like I say, it’s a double-edged sword. So, I look at it as a badge of honor on the pro side, like, hey, this is a badge. I can wear my shorts correctly, and it hides a lot of it. But if I’m not wearing them correctly and somebody sees it, they’re going to be like, wow, he’s lost a lot of weight. I can look and see because he’s got that little bit. But I’ve learned to embrace it. But I’m going to tell you, I was the guy, until I initially lost my first 180 pounds, I had never walked on the beach with my shirt off. Ever in my life. Maybe as a kid, I ran across it. But as an adult, I never had. I was so withdrawn and so embarrassed with myself that I would not do that. And it comes with age too. Now I don’t care. I’m 47 years old, so I’m like I don’t really care. I’ll take my shirt off. A lot of people will pick on me all the time, like I do videos, live videos, and they are like put a shirt on. And I’m like, I’ve earned this. I don’t want to wear a shirt. You have to wear it with a badge of honor. And I’ll tell you, intermittent fasting and fasting helped my loose skin so much because I’m sure you know the word autophagy.

Neil Dudley: I mean, teach us because I really don’t know that very well. 

Dennis Pridgen: Autophagy, if you’re doing a fast, and I’m going to throw a number out there, around 36 hours into your fast, autophagy really cranks up. And what autophagy is, is your good skin cells take your dead skin cells, and they replenish them. And by replenishing them, they pull your skin a little tighter and a little tighter, and it gets more hydrated. That’s how I’m able to not have as much loose skin as a lot of people do when they lose almost 200 pounds. But another key to that I’ll throw in there too is I lost mine slowly over two years. Don’t go on a crash diet and try to lose 100 pounds in three months. Because I’ve done that once in my life and I don’t have a gallbladder now because I ruined it with that quick of weight loss. That’s just something I’m going to throw out there. That quick fast route is not the way to go.

Neil Dudley: I love that insight. I personally don’t want to wait. I’m impatient. So, anything, you just have to really fight that urge to expect or want either weight loss, mental transition, addictive behavior. All of those things, they take time. It can’t happen tomorrow. Like my dad went through serious, bad, bad depression. He had had brain aneurysm surgery, he had some heart surgery, so he just got all messed up. And he’s really just a guy that loves life, appreciates it, and that’s partly how I’m the way I am. But he got into suicidal depression. And he’s like, man, Neil, I can’t tell you, I’m sitting here actually planning how I could do this, and it’s scaring me. I don’t know what’s wrong with me.

Dennis Pridgen: I know that thought process all too well myself.

Neil Dudley: And I think I like talking about that because none of us are so special. Everybody deals with these things, the same kind of things. I don’t even know who you can name. Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, I don’t know, McConaughey, all the most popular people in the world- They got the same stuff, man, I guarantee you. It’s one reason I love talking to Dennis or really anybody because it could be you. If you’re listening, I might just want to talk to you because your story aligns with everybody else’s. Now maybe you haven’t reached your goals in business, maybe you haven’t reached your goals in health, whatever those things are. That’s okay. Almost nobody else has either. I think, learn how to be happy.

Dennis Pridgen: That’s right. I always circle back to God. I always keep him in the forefront. And when I’ve strayed away from him, my life is fell apart.

Neil Dudley: What do you say to somebody who was raised in the church and then just had a bad experience with it, either, I don’t know, there’s a million reasons to kind of look at the church, look at God and say, well, that’s a bunch of hypocrites? I mean, I tell people you should put on the church only F-ups allowed. Because the idea that some of us aren’t, like I’m going to church, I’m a Christian, I believe I’m going to heaven. I love that. It is very valuable to me. Nobody else has to follow that path. But I mean, I would encourage it because I care about you.

Dennis Pridgen: I encourage it. I speak of Jesus often in my life because I literally would not be here right now without him. He literally saved my life. I’ll be honest. 

Neil Dudley: All right, everybody. I mean, I feel like I talked a little too much because really, we’re here to hear about Dennis. But we got more meat to get off the bone. That is kind of how his journey has played out with weight loss, keto, carnivore. Go check him out. Learn more about him. And if you want to hear the next 45 minutes of this conversation, go over to The Cowboy Perspective because we’re going to keep going. And I want to dive deep. I’m going to ask him to get real with us about a lot of things. So come over there and listen. 

Dennis Pridgen: Y’all please listen because if you’re going through depression or battling something, you’ve been through some trials and tribulations, childhood abuse, etc., please listen to the next segment because I’m going to let you know you’re not alone. I got a story to share with y’all.

Neil Dudley: So thanks for listening. All you PNFers out there, go over to The Cowboy Perspective to hear the rest of Dennis’s story.